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    hey guys,
    its good to be here...

    I've got few questions need some advice and some help..

    Me and my girlfriend, we are living in Turkey, im Turkish and She's a Kiwi we'll move to NZ next year.We' met in London but i moved out to Turkey and she moved here to Turkey after 1 year. Now we're making all the paperwork ready, u know all kinda documents that might help us to prove the relationship. But i still got some questions tho! I've got no idea where to start.

    By the end of this year, probably August our relationship will be on its first year. We've got prove for the relationship like: 1- House contract, 2- joint Bank Account, 3- Lots of pictures, e-mails, mails, 4- Reference letters from our bank and from our work (as a public ref.) her resident Permit, 5- Lots of receipts, flight tickets etc... 6- Our joint Bank account statements...
    So i reckon all these would be enough, or what you think shall we get some more?

    The second thing is We're not sure that if we should apply through London branch or me getting a tourist visa and changing it to work permit in New Zealand, which one would be easier, what are the chances? i Know London cuz i lived there for 4 years its always a pain to get a visa there and can NZ London branch see my history in London, like my UK address, previous UK bank account, work place, taxes and etc or does it just belongs to U.K. immigration?
    What i think is it'd be easier for me to get a visa from here and changing to work permit from there, cuz her family will be with us and it'll take shorter time by that time i2ll be there and know the place better...

    the most important one is: In Turkey the military service is compulsory and in one of these forms it says have you undertaken to military service, if not why?I haven't undertaken to military service yet cuz i'm studying Business management in open university which they delay ur duty during ur studies.Will it be a problem to get my work or resident permit or shall i just say no! this part is really confusing and complicated...

    these all i've got so far. So what are your opinions? i really need some good advice cuz its all messed up and confused!

    has anyone been in the same or similar situation before?

    Thanks for all your time and patience...

    cheers...

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    Howdy, and welcome!

    Where in Turkey do you guys live? I'm in the USAF currently in Incirlik, near Adana. Anyway, I would be very carefull with the military service for Turkey. I have heard that some turkish political figure was serving in the US, and his son had not yet completed his military service. the turkish officials pretty much made him come back and do his time! wether thats true or not, i think that would be a point worth researching.

    at any rate, good luck im sure the other members who have actually made the move will have more insight into the rest of your questions!!

    Carl

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    Poseidon. Welcome to the forum.

    I wouldn't worry too much about gathering a lot of things together to prove your relationship. Probably just 4 items will be enough as INZ won't have the time to go through a lot of paperwork.

    If you have been living with your partner for 12+ months then an application under the Partnership Policy should be fairly straight forward and you wouldn't need to look at any other visa types.

    You should apply for your visa at your nearest branch of INZ but I don't think anyone in the NZ branch would be able to see what's going on at the London branch. They can send information between the 2 branches if it is requested but that would be all. If you want to apply from NZ you would be able to apply for a Work Permit under the Partnership Policy which will give you enough time for your residency application to go through. I'm not sure how long you would be allowed to say in NZ on a tourist visa from your own country so the WP route would be another way of hanging around until the application is finalised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MotherBear View Post
    Poseidon. Welcome to the forum.

    I wouldn't worry too much about gathering a lot of things together to prove your relationship. Probably just 4 items will be enough as INZ won't have the time to go through a lot of paperwork.

    If you have been living with your partner for 12+ months then an application under the Partnership Policy should be fairly straight forward and you wouldn't need to look at any other visa types.

    You should apply for your visa at your nearest branch of INZ but I don't think anyone in the NZ branch would be able to see what's going on at the London branch. They can send information between the 2 branches if it is requested but that would be all. If you want to apply from NZ you would be able to apply for a Work Permit under the Partnership Policy which will give you enough time for your residency application to go through. I'm not sure how long you would be allowed to say in NZ on a tourist visa from your own country so the WP route would be another way of hanging around until the application is finalised.
    thanks for the reply..

    Actually im not that really worrying about the prove, cuz we're doing quite good with keeping all these documents and stuff, what makes me worry is this military service. Yes we'll have been living with my partner by the time that we apply for the spouse visa.

    The nearest NZIS branch is in London but as i said before " they might reject the application due to my military service." Actually its delayed for 2 yrs now cuz i'm also studying in the open university. and they'll keep delaying as long as you work in an other country and after a while if u can prove that u're working and living in an other country u can do it 28 days if u pay a certain amount of money.

    But if i apply in NZ they can not just reject and send me back, they might give me an temporary work permit.

    I'm allowed to stay in NZ for 1 year on a tourist visa but i can change it to work permit through spouse visa once i get in NZ. so We're confused and we want to sort it out asap cuz we dont wanna waste our time... I e-mailed to NZIS for my military service and told them all these stuff and said will it be problem that i haven^t undertaken to military service yet! so we'll wait and see. Will keep you updated, but please tell me what else i can do? or do u have an idea about this military service thing...

    thank you soo much for the reply again

    Cheers

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    Hey,

    I e-mailed the NZIS for the military service, asked if it effects my application. Here is the reply:


    Unfortunately, we are unable to guarantee your eligibility for a residence visa or permit before an application is made. We therefore advise all customers to please refer to our Self Assessment Guide for permanent residency to assess your eligibility for any of our residence categories. The Guide can be downloaded from the following link (pdf file):
    New Zealand Immigration Error Page

    Thank you for taking advantage of our Online Help facility.

    Kind Regards,
    So they want me to apply first and then we'll see what happens next... I reckon it won't cause a big problem.They'll probably first check our status if we're able to qualify. But still don't know which branch to apply! But if its still not a big priority in NZ why they've got that question in the form? Never seen it before...

    The thing is u can not leave Turkey unless u're undertaken to military Service but mine has been delayed for 2 years cuz i'm studying so they can only see u status only if u're running away. That means i can Leave Turkey without any problem which i did it before several times for London. And once u have the work or residence permit in any other country you can delay the duty as long as u work and live there. That means they can not catch me when i get back to Turkey, as long as i have the delay and the permit.

    I reckon the best thing is to apply when we go to NZ cuz i can get the tourist visa form here easily and once we get there i don't think that the immigration would just send me back because of my military Service. But if we apply from London the immigration just might reject the application..

    What is your opinion?

    Thanks again...

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    does anyone have any other idea or suggestion?

    cheers...

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    I think this subject is a bit 'specialist' in that I would say approximately 99% of our members won't have had experience of the Turkish military service and, therefore, won't have a clue how it works with regard to immigrating.

    I don't understand why you think London branch would be more likely to refuse you a visa on the grounds of your military service, but you don't think NZ will. You also say that you are allowed to go without doing your national service as long as you are living and working in another country. Wouldn't this be the case in NZ - you would be living and working there so there shouldn't be a problem?

    I guess if you apply for a Visit Visa in Turkey and then go on to get a Work Permit in NZ, the officials in Turkey wouldn't see your departure as final because, as a tourist with a Visit Visa it implies that you will be returning. If you left Turkey with NZ residency in your passport, that would be a different matter I would think.

    The reply from INZ is very non-committal and doesn't touch the subject of your query i.e. national service, so it's not very helpful in that respect. If you feel happier getting a Visit Visa and then doing the rest of your paperwork once you are in NZ, then go for it. If the Turkish military will come after you, I would think they will do it whether you apply in London or NZ.

    Here's a bit about Turkish miliary conscription if anyone wants to read up on it. Sounds a bit daunting to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MotherBear View Post
    I think this subject is a bit 'specialist' in that I would say approximately 99% of our members won't have had experience of the Turkish military service and, therefore, won't have a clue how it works with regard to immigrating.

    I don't understand why you think London branch would be more likely to refuse you a visa on the grounds of your military service, but you don't think NZ will. You also say that you are allowed to go without doing your national service as long as you are living and working in another country. Wouldn't this be the case in NZ - you would be living and working there so there shouldn't be a problem?

    I guess if you apply for a Visit Visa in Turkey and then go on to get a Work Permit in NZ, the officials in Turkey wouldn't see your departure as final because, as a tourist with a Visit Visa it implies that you will be returning. If you left Turkey with NZ residency in your passport, that would be a different matter I would think.

    The reply from INZ is very non-committal and doesn't touch the subject of your query i.e. national service, so it's not very helpful in that respect. If you feel happier getting a Visit Visa and then doing the rest of your paperwork once you are in NZ, then go for it. If the Turkish military will come after you, I would think they will do it whether you apply in London or NZ.

    Here's a bit about Turkish miliary conscription if anyone wants to read up on it. Sounds a bit daunting to me.
    thanks for the reply...

    That's why i thought London branch'd be more likely to refuse my application:
    if you apply for a Visit Visa in Turkey and then go on to get a Work Permit in NZ, the officials in Turkey wouldn't see your departure as final because, as a tourist with a Visit Visa it implies that you will be returning. If you left Turkey with NZ residency in your passport, that would be a different matter I would think.

    So i thought we should apply after i get into NZ, it's easier to get a tourist visa from here and would be easier to change it to resident permit in there. But the fact is once the application goes through we don't know how long will it take which means i have to wait (without any work and income) till i get an answer. People say it takes longer than London branch due to applicaitons...

    But if i apply through London branch and rejected will they stamp my passport?

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by poseidon View Post
    People say it takes longer than London branch due to applicaitons... Yes, that might be correct as I've heard it can take longer if applying through NZ

    But if i apply through London branch and rejected will they stamp my passport?
    If your application is rejected INZ shouldn't even ask for your passport.
    Apparently you can get a WP if your partner is a kiwi without having to wait for the 12 months or without having a job offer. It tells you about it on here .
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    Quote Originally Posted by MotherBear View Post
    Apparently you can get a WP if your partner is a kiwi without having to wait for the 12 months or without having a job offer. It tells you about it on here .
    thanks for the reply again MotherBear, thank you soo much..

    so you say i can get a work permit when i get there, we talked to my partner's parent they said they can sponsor me or write me an invitation to get me there. I reckon I'm gonna apply for a tourist visa from Turkey, so as u said before, they're not gonna know that NZ is gonna be my final destination, and once i get there i could change it to a work or resident permit. And once i get the permit that means i can delay my service as long as i work in NZ...
    but u say we don't have to wait for 12 months to get a work permit. But it says "u have to live in a stable relationship at least 12 months to get a visa... "

    thank you soo much for your help again, it is really helping us to make a decision...

    Cheers

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