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    Question different shippers claim I need different size containers

    Has anyone else had this?
    So far I've had four shippers come to quote (Pickfords, Robinsons, PSS and Abel) and had three different sizes of containers suggested.

    We're taking the contents of a small 3-bed house which is being used as one bed, one home office (for a techie with way too many computers), and one study (with about 1000 books). We're also taking a 1968 Beetle car and a Yamaha motorbike.

    Pickfords (who physically measured everything except the car, which wasn't here) tell me that it wont all fit in a standard 40ft container and we'd need a 40ft 'high cube' container.

    Robinsons (measured only the bike) say that the household goods themselves would be slightly more than a 20ft container and so, with the car and biek we'd need a standard 40ft container and it would not be quite full.

    PSS (measured nothing but want bike & car measurements) said that the household contents PLUS the bike should be slightly more than a 20ft container so we could have a 40ft or have a 20ft (if we were able to reduce the contents very slightly) and send the car separately as it might be cheaper.

    Abels (measured nothing, want bike measurements) say a 40ft container will be adequate for it all. They were the only ones (so far) to say that they didn't need the car measurements as they could look it up.

    I've have Crown and Sterling still to see, and have just realised that I didn't arrange for Anglo Pacific to quote (thought I had).

    So were Pickfords being over cautious? Are the others wrong? I'm sure I've read on here that people have got rid of stuff and then found that there was room in the container after all, or that stuff didn't get into container.

    Has anyone used Abels? I thought I must have heard of them on a forum but can't find any mention of them. Now see that they were one of the five I contacted online via International Movers - intlmovers.com. International Moving Companies.
    One of the others - Movecorp - emailed an estimate without bothering to come out and the others Removal Group, The Euro Group and F + N Worldwide Moving didn't bother to get back to me at all.
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    Doubt it will be much help to you with you being in the UK and we were in Qatar, but a shipping company quoted us for a 20ft. container which they said we would need. However, when it came to loading it, some stuff wouldn't fit in. Hubster told them it was their problem because they misjudged on sizing and we had accepted their quote for a 20 footer, so we ended up with a 40ft. for the price of a 20 ft. But would that work in the UK?
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    I am just amazed that you’re obtaining so many quotes, and you have really gone from one extreme (top end movers) Abels, Robinsons to low cost specialists companies like PSS and Anglo Pacific.

    You will find PSS and Anglo the most competitive, however Abels and Robinsons have much to offer, more quality orientated companies, but you get what you pay for as they say!

    Stirling tend to be top end due to doing mostly corporate business.

    Avoid internet based companies, no accreditation and you must look for BAR OVERSEAS (Financial Protection) all of the above have this.

    Euro Group may be an outside choice and may surprise you with a good price.

    However 3 quotes should be enough, you have rather over cooked it !

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    Default Ahh ! noted

    Very surprised Euro Group did not reply....

    The rest well....

    Teach me to read it all !

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotherBear View Post
    Doubt it will be much help to you with you being in the UK and we were in Qatar, but a shipping company quoted us for a 20ft. container which they said we would need. However, when it came to loading it, some stuff wouldn't fit in. Hubster told them it was their problem because they misjudged on sizing and we had accepted their quote for a 20 footer, so we ended up with a 40ft. for the price of a 20 ft. But would that work in the UK?
    Well done you! I don't see why it shouldn't work in the UK - depending on how the contract was worded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Swiss View Post
    I am just amazed that you’re obtaining so many quotes, and you have really gone from one extreme (top end movers) Abels, Robinsons to low cost specialists companies like PSS and Anglo Pacific.

    You will find PSS and Anglo the most competitive, however Abels and Robinsons have much to offer, more quality orientated companies, but you get what you pay for as they say!

    Stirling tend to be top end due to doing mostly corporate business.

    Avoid internet based companies, no accreditation and you must look for BAR OVERSEAS (Financial Protection) all of the above have this.

    Euro Group may be an outside choice and may surprise you with a good price.

    However 3 quotes should be enough, you have rather over cooked it !
    I've read som many different stories about shippers on the forums that I wanted to get a few. I'd never heard of Abels or Sterling so wasn't aware that they were 'high end'. However, they - Abels in particular - certainly impressed me so far. However. I wait to see how much they will quote. Can't be worse than Pickfords quote of £8000 not including insurance or MAF. They couldn't even hazard a guess at the cost of storage if we were not in NZ when the container arrived (something they surely should know)
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    Default The Price is right !

    You will find that Anglo and PSS will be very competitive, and in truth the most experienced in this market. Pickford’s are in headless chicken mode at moment, quoting bizarre prices all over the place.

    Robinsons and Abels will offer “high end” service.

    Good luck and I hope all works out well.

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    It's a while ago now, but we shipped from the UK with Arrowpak. They measured everything and said we needed a 20 footer. We signed the deal and I paid in full, but as we went travelling first, the whole lot was boxed and went into storage for 6 months. When it was time to send for the container, Arrowpak contacted me and said that not everything would fit into the 20 footer. They said I could pay another £1500 for a 40 footer, pay £800 for a part load in another container or leave some stuff behind. I suggested that they were obliged to ship the lot because that's what they'd measured and quoted for. The argument about quotes and obligations went on for ages, but they refused to budge. To cut a long story short, we ended up leaving loads of stuff behind.

    Don't under estimate how much space you need for a car and a m/cycle. Park them end-to-end in a single garage and judge for yourself. The word 'hi-cube' suggests they might try to put the car and bike at the bottom and pile the rest on top of them. That's okay if they are properly boxed. I'm guessing they could box the bike, but not the car...

    Our sofas went at the bottom of a big pile of everything else and came out virtually flat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kokopeli View Post
    It's a while ago now, but we shipped from the UK with Arrowpak. They measured everything and said we needed a 20 footer. We signed the deal and I paid in full, but as we went travelling first, the whole lot was boxed and went into storage for 6 months. When it was time to send for the container, Arrowpak contacted me and said that not everything would fit into the 20 footer. They said I could pay another £1500 for a 40 footer, pay £800 for a part load in another container or leave some stuff behind. I suggested that they were obliged to ship the lot because that's what they'd measured and quoted for. The argument about quotes and obligations went on for ages, but they refused to budge. To cut a long story short, we ended up leaving loads of stuff behind.
    I wonder how they would have looked at it if you hadn't already paid them. We were lucky in Qatar because we didn't pay until virtually the last minute. We would still have had the option of using another company to hold over them, if need be.

    KP, your situation was a bit naughty because they had quoted you and taken your money for a 20 footer then tried to screw you for another 1k. They could do that with other people, lure them in with the lower price then, at the last minute, jump up and say they need more money. I reckon, if that had gone to court, you were within your rights and should have won the case (if it didn't state in the contract that they were able to swop containers and charge for it accordingly, of course).
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    I'd like to think that you're right MB, but we just wanted our stuff and I didn't have the appetite for it.....

    We have raised a good point for anyone looking to ship out though. My advice would be to check the contract before you sign it. Ask where you stand if the shippers measure up then discover they have got it wrong.......

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