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    Lightbulb EOI rejected due to outdated skill definition! See how to respond...

    See my post for 4th of June for the response to INZ that worked like a treat

    My EOI was selected out of the pool three weeks ago with 105 points. The reason for the selection was the 10 bonus points claimed for being on the skills shortage list (Systems Analyst). This is where the difficulty lay...

    Things seemed to be going great until I received a letter from NZ Immigration saying that they weren?t willing to recognise my skill related work experience.

    My roles in the UK markets (five years) are described as IT related 'Business Analysis' and sometimes 'Business Systems Analysis'. Now anyone that?s been in IT for the last ten years would know that this is synonymous with what used to be called 'Systems Analysis' (as is described in the latest NZ skill definition). BTW none of my peers call themselves Systems Analysts in the UK anymore :-)

    Unfortunately the Immigration officer has (quite understandably) misinterpreted my work experience as being a 'Business Analyst' relating to financial analysis on the NZ skills list... which does not appear on the Long-term Skills Shortage List.

    My dilemma is: How can I convince NZI to bridge their definition of Systems Analyst in NZ with the equivalent UK role of Business Analyst?

    Please Help: My request for advice is quite urgent as there are only two weeks to reply.
    Last edited by Colart; 14-06-2007 at 09:30 PM. Reason: correction

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    Hi Colart,

    If possible, I would try and get some kind of notification from the companies you have worked for, stating that your role was in fact that of an IT systems analyst, rather than a business/financial analyst. You could also back that up with a sworn statement.

    Above all, speak with your case officer. They will be able to tell you exactly what they need as evidence to help sort your case out.

    Good luck, and keep us posted on what happens!
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    Thanx Taffy. I'll look into that. Surely the job title is least significant though? A few months ago I attended a New Zealand Expo and asked the immigration guys about this. The gentleman I spoke to assured me that it was more important to have the job role & responsibility to match the skills shortage description rather than the job title. He pointed out that often the job titles given by applicants appear to be more grandios than the actual role carried out.

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    Yes, I think you're right. It looks to me like they took one look at the title and didnt go any further.

    Get on to the case office, and if you get no joy with them, speak to their supervisor. You've clearly got the right stuff, it just hasnt been recognised correctly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colart View Post
    The gentleman I spoke to assured me that it was more important to have the job role & responsibility to match the skills shortage description rather than the job title.
    And did they mention that you have to have a degree in IT? I don't know if it has to match the position/title you are claiming, but since my degree wasn't close I had to give up the possibility of those bonus points.

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    Thumbs up Great result!

    Hi Folks

    Just wanted to report on whats happened so far...

    I went away and did some research and formulated our response to INZ.

    There were a few exchanges querying minor details and then they agreed to progress our application pending a full assessment by the NZQA of my qualification for the LTSS bonus points claim. This will cost us around $600!! (is this normal I wonder?)

    Anyway we're just glad to be over that hurdle...

    Here's the letter I wrote to INZ. I hope it helps anyone else in this situation:

    Kind regards

    Colt

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    Dear XXXXXX



    Thank you very much for getting back to us about our EOI selection and for pointing out the obvious confusion surrounding the work experience given relating to the Long Term Skills Shortage List role description for ' 21311 Systems Analyst':



    NZ Standard Classification of Occupations 1999 p.55



    21311 Systems Analyst



    Description:

    ? Analyses data processing needs and problems of client or employer, and develops appropriate systems and procedures.

    Tasks:

    ? Ascertains from client or employer the output requirements for data processing from a new or existing system and/or makes modifications to such systems.

    ? Examines input data available and advises on any necessary modifications to facilitate input to computer.

    ? Prepares flow charts, diagrams and other specifications for the guidance of programmer.

    ? Conducts trials and makes any necessary amendments.

    Training and/or experience required:

    ? 3-4 year university degree or on-the-job training.

    ? Analytical, design, organisational, planning, problem solving and communication skills.

    Specialisation:

    ? Computer Analyst



    We were quite concerned about how this would be interpreted so we sought advice, before submitting the EOI, from one of the NZ Immigration representatives at the October 2006 NZ Expo event held in Earls Court. The gentleman we spoke to advised on the importance of using the actual role performed, when matching work experience, as opposed to the job title.

    Our dilemma remains that although I am a qualified and practicing Systems Analyst, my clients recruit me to perform specialist forms of systems analysis. These include; business analysis, business systems analysis and sometimes data analysis, all within an IT context. Companies tend to use the specialist skills they require to describe the job title when recruiting Systems Analysts. Hence the job titles given to systems analysts typically reflect the specialist area they were recruited for. This is true in my case too.

    The point I am making is that the roles detailed in the submitted EOI are all specialist applications of the general skill set of Systems Analysis and therefore should count as work experience towards role description for a Systems Analyst (21311) for SM13.20.

    I realize that this statement requires further substantiation to enable you to comfortably allow the application to proceed so I've taken the liberty of providing four more pieces of evidence to support my claim:

    1) Attached is my resume showing the nature and content of the work experience roles performed that relate directly to the description for a Systems Analyst (21311) as described in the NZSCO.

    a. See also APPENDIX A & B at the end of this message for an emailed endorsement from a previous manager and former colleague that my time at SBS was in the capacity of a Systems Analyst performing business analysis.

    b. Please note that the roles highlighted in the EOI document should not be confused with the NZCSO description for 24133 Financial Adviser which is also referred to as 'Business Analyst' in the NZCSO. This is very much in a financial context as opposed to IT .

    2) A response from the New Zealand Computer Society on my work experience:


    "I have studied your background and CV and understand the dilemma you face concerning the terminology of the word "Systems Analyst". In times past, perhaps when the IT industry was not as advanced as it now is, roles in the industry tended to be wider in their scope. Now analytical roles tend to be more descriptive and less generic and hence where we used to use one word to describe the number of roles a systems analyst used to perform, you now find that the role is often broken down into its component parts. So, it is now relatively rare to come across the role of "Systems Analyst" (SA) being used especially in advertisements in the press or in on-line equivalents. Instead there are a number of descriptives used, usually each having a more specialized function than SA used to have. You will now typically find roles labeled Business Analyst, System Architect, Business Consultant, Business Systems Analyst, Data Analyst, Software Consultant, Database Manager etc (and the list is long)."

    and

    "I am sure you will be interested to know that your current work as described in your CV will be eagerly sought after when you arrive in the country. There are many recruiters who will also welcome you with open arms. If you require the names of some who are Corporate Partners of the NZCS, please let me know and I will put you in touch with them."

    3) www.prospects.ac.uk, the official graduate careers website in the UK, further illustrates my point by showing that the title Systems Analyst and Business Analyst (in an IT context) is, in effect, one and the same...
    "Job titles in the IT sector can be fluid, changing with advances in technology, and also varying between organisations. It is a good idea to look at the job description beneath the job title. For example, analysts may be known as systems or business analysts or, simply, as IT consultants... "
    (See Appendix D) ( Systems/business analyst: Job?description?and?activities )

    4) A small survey of search results for 'Systems Analyst' roles using the popular New Zealand job site: Search4Jobs - Homepage - New Zealand Job Search & Employment Site. NZ Jobs, Careers & Part Time Vacancies. which showed the following results:
    a. The search criteria used:

    i. Location: Auckland Area

    ii. Area: All Areas

    iii. Occupation: IT and Telecommunications

    iv. Skill: All Skills

    v. Work Type: Full Time

    vi. Keyword: Systems Analyst

    vii. Posted Within: 14 Days


    Fig 1: Screenshot showing search criteria used



    b. Search Results breakdown:

    i. Total number of search results returned: 1001

    ii. Total sample size: 500

    iii. Of Which:

    ? No. of results characterized as 'Business Analyst': 48 (= 9.6%)

    ? No. of results characterized as 'Systems Analyst': 2 (= 0.4%)

    ? Miscellaneous specialist roles: 450 (= 90%)

    c. Conclusions

    i. The data shows that recruiters tend to use miscellaneous role descriptions to attract systems analysts of which the title: "Business Analyst" tends to be used far more than "Systems Analyst". (The data supporting these results are in the attached zip file: data.zip)


    I hope this explains why I continue to feel confident that the work experience detailed in the EOI meets the requirement for SM13.20.

    I respectfully request that you reconsider the EOI point's allocation in light of this evidence. May I propose that we meet in person to discuss the next step?





    We look forward to your reply,

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    Well done, Colt, you certainly told them what's what.
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